Bootham / Gillygate junction: design scheme

35 thoughts on “Bootham / Gillygate junction: design scheme”

1. Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
   I think you have missed 2 major opportunities to make an even bigger difference to the historic areas of York and vastly improve traffic flow around the city and more importantly access to the hospital.
   I do not believe the proposals in your paper address the knock on traffic consequences adequately.
   I would ask that the following are explored.
   Back in the 1960s I believe, an area of Clifton was built and designed to provide a road linking the A19 to roads to the hospital side of the city.
   If you look at the street map of York, you can clearly see the wide boulevard through Kingsway which was designed to do that and for some reason, was not completed. (I realise this would mean traffic would be travelling down a road not currently used for through traffic and that would affect those residents, but if my second suggestion was also implemented, the volume would not be as great because it would be spread between two access roads taking traffic to the hospital side of York rather than push it down one narrow residential street.)
   If this planned 1960s road was instated for the first section from Water Lane along Kingsway North, it could link to Crichton Avenue at the roundabout and take the traffic which currently travels down to Bootham lights and turns left along Gillygate towards the hospital and Lord Mayors Walk.
   It would avoid traffic being redirected down Burton Stone Lane to reach Crichton Avenue and a very awkward right turn which currently already creates long queues, often backing well past Sainsbury’s at peak times. Additionally the junction of Burton Stone Lane with the A19 is a very awkward turn, the road is not wide enough for large vehicles to turn in easily and it is a blind junction to turn out of because of parked cars immediatly to the left and reduced visability to see the road to the right until nearly out into the traffic. The first part of Burton Stone Lane is the original narrow Georgian lane which is in the conservation area and barely has room for two cars to pass each other easily, let alone two larger buses or HGVs, without endangering pedestrians on the pavement with wing mirror accidents. Using a road which was designed at planning stage but not instated at that time, it would allow traffic to join Crichton Avenue at a roundabout and would assist traffic flow and reduce accidents and it is also controlled by traffic lights at the junction with the A19 at Clifton Green.

   Additionally, thought could be given to using the opportunity the closure of Bootham Park Hospital offers. Again, if you look at the street map of York, you can see a very clear route along the current access road from Bootham into the grounds and then along past the far edge of Bootham School, and the edge of the carpark. This could be one way and would take traffic which currently travels down Bootham, along Gillygate and join Lord Mayors Walk. This would not go through a residential area, but would pass the end of
   Union Terrace. This would also give residents on Clarence Street, Claremount Terrace and Portland Street, a way to reach Bootham without having to trespass on Bootham School grounds, which is one of the suggestions mooted in your footnotes under section 2 on the embedded map link.
   Both of these options could mean wider two way roads, built for traffic rather than the very narrow 250 year old (possibly older) Burton Stone Lane which was designed for horse and cart not articulated lorries and HGVs.

   Cathy Woodbine

2. In support of numerous comments above what is needed in York is a city wide plan to reduce traffic and pollution which unfortunately this is not. Simply moving traffic from one area means it will significantly affect other areas whether this be Burton Stone Lane or other streets in the locality which will see traffic levels increased in what are residential areas with schools in the neighbourhood (which Gillygate does not have). As such I’m afraid I cannot support the current proposal.

3. Thank you for a complete set of proposals which address both transport and urban design in the same scheme and resolve both. But I am concerned at the diversion of car traffic from Gillygate onto Burton Stone Lane. I believe that one solution that may be worth reviving and refining is a bypass through the grounds of Bootham Park Hospital between Bootham and Union Terrace if only for hospital staff, visitors, hospital buses and, of course, ambulances.

4. While appreciating the aesthetics of the proposed for the re-structuring and re-purposing of Exhibition Square and Gillygate, I have grave concerns about the impact of these on nearby streets and properties, both commercial and residential. Discussion of these factors is largely ignored in this proposal. Everyone would agree that traffic and congestion are issues for York residents, not just tourists, yet no proposals so far tackle this as a whole. It is not sufficient to assume traffic banned in one area will settle happily in another: the volume, noise, pollution and danger to people, both old and young, is too great. Those of us who live on Burton Stone Lane are disproportionately affected. Where is the comprehensive plan to control and manage York traffic? What is needed is a radical re-think for the Bootham area, including streets where traffic will be re-directed but whose infrastructure is inadequate for the purpose. Plans such as this proposal for Gillygate or the closing of the Groves to through traffic just add to the much larger problem.

5. I would like to reinforce what previous commentators have pointed out about the adverse consequences of these plans for Burton Stone Lane. This is not a hypothesis; the evidence concerning dangerously increased traffic and pollution is already known from previous occasions when Gillygate has been closed. There are parts of Burton Stone Lane where the pavement is little more than a metre wide. Pushchairs, wheelchairs and children are alarmingly close to traffic. Relevant also is the planned building work at the football ground and at the barracks. Traffic will not only significantly increase on Burton Stone Lane while the work is taking place but also when new residents are settled. One cannot solve one problem by creating or intensifying another.

6. We had a taste recently of what this scheme would mean for the residents of Burton Stone Lane. Gillygate was closed for roadworks between 19 September and 2 October. The result was a dramatic increase in traffic on Burton Stone Lane. To put this into context, Burton Stone Lane is usually a quiet residential street. There is a reasonable amount of traffic in the day but by the evening there may be only one car every 30 seconds or so. When Gillygate was closed, I would estimate that the traffic doubled. Even by 10pm or 11pm there was a constant flow of traffic. The nature of the traffic was also different. There were many more buses and lorries. The air quality on the street was noticeably reduced. I imagine that if Gillygate was closed to private traffic (even with buses still allowed to pass) this would represent the new norm.

   The reality with road closures is that they are great for those who have an interest in the road being closed (people living immediately nearby, businesses who can use the additional space etc.) but terrible for everyone else. The traffic will be displaced and it will be displaced onto roads which are not designed for it. Burton Stone Lane is a perfect example.

7. Thank you for hosting the discussion on zoom on Wednesday evening. It was well attended and the vast majority were supportive of your excellent proposal. Of course we must now fine tune all aspects including emergency vehicle access, local deliveries and priority for locals and hospital workers as well as allowing buses, taxis and disabled vehicles access however the unacceptable levels of pollution must take priority. The latest readings from the air quality measurement recording system located on Gillygate from which readings are taken every hour prove beyond doubt that pollution is now exceeding WHO levels on an average reading basis and dangerously exceeds it at peak times. This can no longer be ignored but must be
   addressed in the very short term before the health of local residents together with pedestrian users of Gillygate is materially affected. This is no longer a “some time in the future planning pipe dream” but a necessity brought about by car users being shoe horned into a street that was not built for purpose 400 years ago! Let’s act now. The rationale of not acting until alternatives for existing traffic pollution are found does not hold sway. There is legal precedent for locals taking action against local government which imposes unacceptably high levels of pollution on local residents. Let’s act now before the courts takeover and impose closure.

8. I live locally off Bootham and wonder why the opportunity to divert Bootham traffic through Bootham Park Hospital grounds was not followed through when the hospital was closed by the CQC.A bit of road widening and loss of a few buildings needed in the site but an option nevertheless.

9. Dear Duncan,

   Thank you for chairing the meeting last night – it was very informative. I would like to say that I enjoyed it but from what I was hearing about vehicle access to my shop – or should I say lack of access – it has left me alarmed.

   From what I understood last night customers delivering HiFi back to the shop for repair or service would not be able to drop it off at the shop door. Some of the equipment we have sold over the years is heavy and bulky and an elderly customer would not be able to carry it any distance – or carry it at all.
   Also, deliveries of new equipment transported by van or lorry from suppliers would not be allowed to unload outside the door. Again,some of these goods are extremely heavy and bulky.
   Neither would we, as shop staff, be able to load up to deliver equipment to customers in any of our vehicles, nor would be be able to unload it – often late at night after working out in customers homes.
   In addition, the only loading/unloading area we have been using for the last thirty years, a dedicated space set next to the pavement around the corner just before Bootham Bar – is to be demolished.

   It seems that these present proposals do not suit us and whilst we’d all like to enjoy cleaner air and less noise pollution – (the Emergency Service vehicles are the worst offenders here with sirens loud enough to wake the dead, loud enough to interrupt conversations within our building) we would prefer arrangements that allow traders to trade – and be able to continue to pay their rates.
   We have been trading here in Gillygate now for over 35 years and whilst in all that time it has never been easy, it has been workable. Present planning proposals appear to make it well nigh impossible. I do expect to see some common sense prevail at the end of the day and a practical, workable solution found that we will all be happy with.

   Many thanks, Hamish.

   Hamish MacDiarmid
   Director
   The Sound Organisation Ltd
   p: (01904) 627108
   a: 2 Gillygate, York, YO31 7EQ

10. Has a report been commissioned on the effect of traffic being diverted along BSL and Crichton Avenue, Wigginton Rd and Haxby Rd if Gillygate is closed to ‘ordinary traffic’? The congestion at peak times on all of these roads is already excessive. This proposal doesn’t appear to address the issue of increased volume of traffic on the main access roads to the hospital if Gillygate is closed. Where do they think the traffic will go? Don’t they care that other parts of the city will be affected? BSL is residential, lots of children walk to school, what about their opinions on increased traffic/pollution? Do they not matter?
    Why are they proposing a slow traffic surface? The traffic is slow anyway through that junction. How are deliveries to the local businesses going to happen? It’s difficult enough for any deliveries in York, this would just exacerbate the issues they already have.
    Why do they need to make it safer for pedestrians to cross the road? There are three crossings there, all a pedestrian needs to do is wait for the green light. If they choose to run across the road in front of oncoming vehicles then they are the only ones culpable if they get knocked down.
    The square has already been improved by adding seating, it is more populated now than it has ever been, and the fountain is lovely. There are plenty of places in the city to stage events, do they really want to put events on next to what is, in essence, a mini bus station?
    Real people and ordinary road users live and work on Gillygate, Bootham and St Leonards. Instead of making life easier for tourists who, let’s face it, tolerate York’s limitations, being a medieval city, why not make life easier for the people who actually live here? Tourists will always visit our lovely city, regardless of road closures and limitations but the residents live here and they should come first. I understand that the residents in that area want less traffic/noise/pollution but it’s a bit like buying a house next to a school and deciding you don’t like kids – it was there before you! We all need to travel around the city and putting such limitations on a main access route to the most visited place in the city by its residents (the hospital) seems utter madness.
    They need to look at the bigger picture, solve the issue of ‘where will the traffic go and what will the effects be’ before imposing these restrictions. Has the council not learned from closing Lowther Street…..?

11. The plans address cosmetic issues rather than seek to mitigate any of the significant logistical problems of a gridlocked inner ring road

    Yes, Bootham and Gillygate are regularly stationary with traffic – but aren’t these proposals a little premature? There is no indication of any provision being made for the resultant diverted traffic – other than, one assumes, adding it to the log-jams on Lord Mayor’s Walk, Foss Islands Road, Walmgate Bar and Nunnery Lane, or diverting it along the narrow residential streets of Crichton Avenue and Burton Stone Lane.

    Surely the first thing is to sort out where the traffic will be diverted to and THEN close off Gillygate. You don’t empty a swimming pool without making arrangements for where the water will go… (although the council did with The Groves…).

    I could suggest revisiting the plans for the 1980s Bootham Park Link Road diversionary route, which took south/east-bound Bootham traffic across the field opposite the end of St Mary’s, around in an arc to the rear of the present Union Terrace car park and create a junction at Clarence Street to feed into Lord Mayor’s Walk. It would solve the problem but is probably rather too ambitious for today’s thinking.

    Some other points.

    How will the lights be phased – because there’s a LOT of new empty space between the stop lines and the junction? Unless sequences are very carefully choreographed, traffic in Bootham and Gillygate will waste a lot of time travelling from stop lines to the junction itself.

    What happens to the bus stops in St Leonard’s Place? It’s not clear on the plans. Will buses have to wait for traffic to give way to allow them to pull out from the stops? Why not have two lanes, the inner one reserved as a bus lane and the traffic lights prioritised accordingly?

    Cyclists, as they do in York, gain an almost disproportionate amount of benefit from the plans. Will High Petergate become two way? On the diagrams there’s advance cycle provision on the exit of Bootham Bar. And hasn’t anyone learned yet that ‘mandatory’ cycle lanes are a waste of time and money? Who polices them? And will cycles be included in the aspirational “10 mph speed limit’?

    What about deliveries? It is astonishing that the word ‘deliveries’ doesn’t appear once in the report. Gillygate is regularly festooned with trucks and vans, often on the pavement, delivering to traders. If it is to be made more attractive as a retail destination, how will goods get to the traders? How will the new, narrow thoroughfare of Gillygate accommodate both buses and delivery lorries?

    As a resident of Portland Street, I can’t say I’m enamoured with the prospect of adding extra miles and goodness knows how much additional time whenever I travel along the A19 or A59. For local residents, the plans reduce the inner ring road to a rather long cul-de-sac. Why not use ANPR and allow R14 permit holders – and those of Miller’s Yard and St Giles’ Court – to use Gillygate up to Bootham?

    And, if Gillygate is to be closed to them, how will residents be compensated for all the extra time and fuel they will have to use? The current straightforward access to the north and west is a resource many of these residents will miss.

    That said, does Bootham School know about “2.12 “Initiative for … residents of Portland Street (Gillygate) to use Bootham School’s access route to Bootham”? Close off Gillygate and divert everyone down Portland Street and through a working school’s grounds, down the extremely constricted Photographer’s Lane onto Bootham? Who on earth dreamed this one up? Worse, who paid them?

    Also, isn’t it rather profligate to spend a lot of money installing special ‘paved materials’ for the surface on Gillygate when the street is constantly being dug up to repair the utilities that continue to age, fail and collapse beneath it?

    As a notional effort in addressing some of the superficial shortcomings of the locality, the plans have a certain merit. But when it comes to the real problem in the area – managing all that traffic – they’re a complete waste of time.

12. As a local resident I broadly support these proposals whole heartedly As a motorist, cyclist and pedestrian. But, and I think it’s a big but, where does all the motorised traffic from Gillygate go? The proposal needs detailed work on how the alternative routes would work and, perhaps, more radically, how people are persuaded to reduce the use of cars. Restricting access on its own isn’t enough to force people to change their modes of transport. There have to be realistic alternatives and incentives. Lines on a map won’t change behaviour – it needs a hearts and minds approach too, as revealed in some of the previous comments
    Good work though, but needs more thought.

    1. I thoroughly agree with this comment. The proposed scheme for the Bootham/Gillygate junction has much to recommend it when considered in isolation. But the fatal flaw in my view is the lack of consideration of how the proposals will affect other streets as a result of the displaced traffic. It is not sufficient to say, as the proposal does, that ‘it potentially diverts some traffic to Water Lane, Burtonstone Lane and Ouse Bridge, which would require remedial action’, without thinking through the impact on the streets mentioned or specifying what ‘remedial action’ might be possible. Any effective ‘remedial action’ would inevitably displace traffic elsewhere and so the problem moves on. The only reasonable solution is to look more rigorously at reducing overall traffic flows.

13. The comments which question the validity of disrupting the inner ring road along Gillygate ignore the unacceptable levels of pollution which we residents have to suffer in our lives every day.
    The existing closure has hardly affected traffic disruption however air quality has already noticeably improved for the better. Motorists change habits very quickly as is proved by what is occurring right now!
    What long term damage are the high levels of pollution already doing to our health? Perhaps it will take a Court case against Council negligence in not changing the existing road situation to bring this all to a head? In the meantime this proposal tackles the issues. Traffic will continue to pollute if it is not restricted. The removal of inner city traffic pollution is a stated policy of York and most inner city high traffic environments. Obviously there needs to be more traffic imitative outside the inner ring road sustem. However this should not deter us from changing what is currently clearly an unacceptable road traffic situation. The “I’m all right Jack” attitude of existing motorists must change with the obvious exceptions of emergency vehicles, residents, public transport, disabled car users, deliveries and cyclists. Let’s be bold and applaud this exciting initiative.

14. While I like the majority of the suggested improvements, I can’t support the closure of Gillygate to all but specific types of vehicles unless and until adequate alternative provisions are in place and honestly I don’t know what form those alternative provisions could take.

15. I find hospital access to be the most convincing criticism of these proposals together with the steadily increasing lack of blue-badge parking for those who can walk very short distances. High Petergate should not follow Castlegate as a detriment to their lives. I too like the fountain and would regret its loss very much…I remember its installation.

16. I like the idea of moving traffic lights further back and removing the traffic island.
    Also I see the benefits in improving the space in front of the Art Gallery.
    I can’t see the practicality of closing Gillygate to most traffic. It will simply move traffic onto longer routes.
    Stopping vehicle traffic going through High Petergate will remove parking spaces and increase the number of vehicles turning into Duncombe Place which is already heavily over used, especially now that it is the waiting spot for Deliveroo style meal deliverers. I wish it were otherwise but any change needs to consider the impact on Duncombe Place and its surrounds.

17. Hello, Thank you for the opportunity to comment on your proposals.

    Whilst traffic is self-evidently a huge concern in this area, I would like to add my voice to the comments that have already raised the issue of access to the hospital. Closing Gillygate to private vehicles would reduce access for patients, staff and visitors. It would increase distance travelled, and create/add to congestion on Crichton Avenue and Wigginton Road as well as the roads mentioned in the plans.

    Is additional space needed for markets and street performers etc? There is a market every day in York that struggles for customers, and plenty of pop up and seasonal markets in Parliament Street and elsewhere. I cannot see reference to input from York Museums’ Trust in the plans. Turning Exhibition Square into a venue would surely block or hinder access to the art gallery? Crossing King’s Square or navigating Parliament Street during performances or markets/festivals can be difficult and unpleasant.

    Finally, it’s disappointing to see a hackneyed dry plaza fountain included in the scheme. Your own website says:

    ‘The Trust is open to all who wish to enhance and protect York’s architectural and cultural heritage, to champion good design and to advance the high place which York holds amongst the cities of the world.’

    Yet your proposals include this most ubiquitous of modern water features, which can be found around the world everywhere from public spaces to offices and shopping malls. Such a fountain would not add anything that visitors and residents couldn’t see in countless other places.

    The current fountain is attractive and well used. Queuing for admission during a recent visit to the gallery, I noticed that it was a popular space with people pausing to look at it or to sit by it to watch the world go by or to eat lunch. Please don’t sacrifice that to create the unnecessary event space.

18. Hi. I fully support the proposals to reduce traffic flow around Exhibition Square but not the plan to remove the fountain, I love the fountain and the recent addition of public seating should be a permanent fixture.

19. While I applaud the general ambition and some of the specific proposals I don’t feel that restricting general traffic from a key part of the inner ring road (Gillygate) is appropriate so close to the hospital, and certainly not before the upgrade to the outer ring road has been completed.

    I am in favour of:
    * Improvements to Abbey Precinct Wall garden (always thought there should be more benches there!)
    * Replacement of fountain in Exhibition Square with ground-level option that can be switched off and used as an event space (square has been much more interesting/lively this last year with the extra benches etc)
    * Improved setting Art Gallery and Bootham Bar etc via revamped paving, removal of street furniture/clutter, and localised widening of pavement (i.e. removal of taxi rank)
    * General closure of High Petergate to vehicles (I’ve never understood why the right-turn from St Leonards is a permitted move with dedicated traffic light arrow given the existing daytime footstreet restrictions)

    I am not in favour of:
    * Such a broad extend of raised road surface – given the junction would still be heavily used under the proposals, between St Leonards and Bootham and buses from Gillygate, the removal of the clear kerb line would make the junction feel unsafe as a pedestrian (even at slower speeds)
    * Bus gate and single-lane operation on Gillygate – as above this is a key part of the inner ring road close to the hospital and should not be restricted without other mitigations or complementary measures being implemented elsewhere. If the road WERE restricted in that way I would be concerned that the long single-lane section will require quite lengthy traffic light phasing in both directions to allow buses to get through without conflict, generating new delay and congestion through the reduced junction (and undermining the changes)
    * Cycle track bypass behind bus stops at Exhibition Square – creates additional conflict between pedestrians and cyclists when there is plenty of room for a cycle lane on the road!

    Alternative suggestions:
    * Retain the two lanes on St Leonards Place but convert one of them to a dedicated bus lane, with priority phase over general traffic onto both Bootham and Gillygate – public transport benefit with limited overall impact on traffic flows/capacity
    * Remove the filter phase from Bootham into St Leonards – from observation this appears to be a significant contributor to delays and congestion at this junction for little benefit
    * Narrow the road through the junction and improve pavements/crossings following removal of the bi-directional flow between St Leonards and Bootham (above two points) – the road is barely wide enough for the existing flow (have you ever watched the bendy bus inch around the corner?) but plenty wide for single-direction
    * That little inset by the Theatre Royal wall/Red House (5.3 on your map) seems like an idea place for street furniture – or a planter! There’d be even more room if TR could be persuaded to remove that wall/weird little outdoor pocket as well..

20. Please keep the existing fountain. It was thought a good site in1971 and still is. Children love the fountain and its 28 jets catching the sun. It is a pleasant family space, we do not need more events in this square.

21. No Doubt an unpopular view, but I would consider closure of Bootham Row Car Park and utilising the land as a ‘Delivery Hub’ for Gillygate and High Petergate with a 7.5T weight limit for trucks to transfer goods to EV’s, cargo bikes etc or just an old-fashioned sack barrow. Probably the only way to stop illegal pavement parking that happens every day on Gillygate and keep businesses viable.

22. The plan is bold and much needed to address climate change as well as address a chaotic junction. We all are going have to adapt to other ways of getting to and from work leisure. There needs to be more frequent electric buses, cycle lanes, different mobility options and access for disabled people all need to be included in any design of roads. However we need to recognise overall we must have less cars on road to have any impact on environment. With less cars on roads walking, mobility scooters and cycling will become easier and more pleasant experience for all. In addition, buses need to be cheaper, frequent and accessible for all to use. Electric bikes are also are part of the solution making journeys under five miles accessible to many more people with varying fitness levels. York is flat which makes cycling ideal for everyone. There are many more bikes available to meet different needs.

23. Sounds like an excellent proposal. At the moment it’s a bit of a mess with Gillygate being rather unpleasant. I support this proposal.

24. All this extra money wasted when there is an easier solution,open up lowther street and open up fountain street and stop been idiots

25. Hello
    Why is it when a body states that this or that change will benefit York residents, is it actually a benefit to the body that suggests it ? Perhaps you ought to ask York residents first before taking an opinion that you allready know what they want ?
    Where do you propose the traffic that currently uses Gillygate will go ? I’m guessing that doesn’t interest you as it wouldn’t effect you. As for spaces for markets and events, York has lots of them allready. If it is larger visitor numbers to the Art gallery that you want, then perhaps returning to free admission would help

26. Hi,

    Please don’t get rid of the fountain in front of the art gallery! I love that fountain, and I love to sit by it and eat my ice cream. It’s so tranquil.

    Also, I am weary about the traffic plans to restrict cars. Granted I wish more people would use public transport, but some people do genuinely need to use their cars so end up punishing those people too. Maybe if First York didn’t repaint their buses every 5 minutes they could make the tickets a little cheaper which would encourage more bus usage?

    I live on Water Lane, I don’t own a car but I hire one a few times a year for when I can’t use public transport (for example, going on a camping holiday.) And getting to the car hire store on Foss Islands Road is a nightmare. I can either queue down Haxby Road or queue down Bootham. If you close this junction off to traffic, it’s just going to make the queues down Haxby road longer and cause more pollution near the hospital.

    I always cycle into town when I can as due to traffic in York it’s quicker. Please don’t make it worse. When I have to use a car it’s already a headache. Don’t make it a nightmare.

27. Dear York Civic Trust

    Imaginative, brilliant and game-changing.

    From a York resident, city centre worker, car driver, motorcycle rider, cyclist, public transport user and pedestrian – ie in no particular ‘camp’.

    Essential vehicles must continue to be able to drive around our cramped Medieval city – the disabled, buses, emergency vehicles, essential utilities, commercial deliveries etc. The rest of us need to accept we simply must change for the sake of our city and the wider environment.

28. This is another scheme by you the council that discriminates against disabled car users. The current scheme also comes under disability discrimination. On the whole it is blatantly clear that you do not care about the disabled residents of York but place a higher priority on tourism.

29. I am writing in response to your proposal to close Gillygate to 90% of traffic.

    While I can see the benefits to residents and tourists alike, and the idea of Exhibition Square as a “destination” that is safe and pleasant to be around is greatly appealing, I absolutely do not support this.

    At peak traffic times, congestion already reaches from Bootham Bar to Burton Stone Lane. And as a resident of BSL, I know that traffic will worsen all around my area (something that you also pointed out).

    There is no easy fix to Yorks traffic issues. That is part and parcel of life in a small, historic city. But shifting the traffic from Gillygate to Clifton is not in the benefit for York residents at all.

30. I am shocked by your proposals. Has any consideration been made to how get to the hospital by car for hospital staff. We can’t get buses as they don’t fit with shifts, and when you’ve been on your feet all day, a long 4 mile cycle back to the west of York where it live, isn’t an option. And bikes and snow really don’t mix in winter.

    Cutting off Gillygate blocks the inner ring road just like the failed lendal bridge fiasco. Cutting through Clifton or Burton Stone lane is the only option and that’s an awful drive with parked cars.

    The temporary blocking of Gillygate for emergency repairs is going to be very difficult to manage, but at least it is temporary. Early shifts will be ok as there are spaces in Bootham Row, but on a 12pm start, no chance. Marygate is quite a walk away from the hospital after a shift in the dark, it’s just not safe.

    I appreciate it will improve the area for the residents but when you reduce car capacity in one area it just blocks up another. We simply don’t have good enough frequent public transport early morning or evening to swap to.

31. This junction is on an important route to the hospital for those of us living on the south side of the city. My main reason for ever being on this road is to take friends with mobility problems to attend clinics at the hospital. Public transport is not an option for them, and taxi fares are prohibitive, especially when journeys need to be made on a regular basis. Going round the inner ring road the other way is further and will inevitably take that much longer if the junction is closed. It can already take an hour in the late afternoon.
    I’m sure the appearance of the place would improve a lot if these proposals are carried out, but it will be frustrating for those of us voluntarily trying to help friends keep appointments and get home afterwards.

32. I think this is an excellent idea, for an area in great need of improvement. I use it as a cyclist and a pedestrian and it’s pretty horrible for both at present. When driving, I avoid it altogether!

    1. My concern is that limiting through traffic on Gillygate will invariably push more traffic down Burton Stone Lane – and in particular our very narrow end of the lane close to Clifton. If the Gillygate plan goes ahead I would want to see a reciprocal arrangement for at least the stretch of Burton Stone Lane between Clifton – Grosvenor Road. The name “Lane” gives things away. It is narrow, with very narrow paths and not at all suitable for heavy use – in both directions. We already have a serious safety issue with traffic ignoring the 20mph limit. I have a little 4 year old boy and – quite frankly – it’s sometimes scary to walk those paths with him with fast moving cars and vans swinging around the corner and travelling up and down the lane. What will it take for action? A tragic accident? Why not simply make this section of the Lane a bus/taxi/access only section? At worst, why not experiment with a one way system – which would at least limit traffic and cost next to nothing to trial? Grosvenor Terrace is already one way. It would be much better to push traffic further out to make use of the Crichton Avenue and Water Lane route which consists of “proper” roads…not a narrow lane.

       1. I completely agree with you and previous comments voicing concerns about increased traffic down Burton Stone Lane. We already have worries regarding additional traffic to/from the two proposed new housing developments without diverted traffic squeezing past parked cars at one end of the lane, and the narrow pavements at the other. I think we all agree that the Gillygate junction is a mess but this is not a good solution for York residents.

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